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					<title>Comment by Sterling Camden</title>
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							It happened because 98% of geeks are white males of roughly the same age and economic background.  Me too.
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					<updated>2007-03-09T12:29:54-08:00</updated>
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						<name>Sterling Camden</name>
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					<title>Comment by Alex</title>
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							The audio for Cory Doctorow's speech the next day at SFU campus on the hill is found at this page:<br/>
http://www.ecoshock.org/DNgreens.html<br/>
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I recorded it for CFRO radio in Vancouver - it's a pretty good quality listen.<br/>
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Alex Smith<br/>
Radio Ecoshock<br/>
www.ecoshock.org
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					<updated>2007-03-11T12:08:22-07:00</updated>
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						<name>Alex</name>
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					<title>Comment by Scott Reynen</title>
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							Sterling, but why is that? It's relatively easy to figure out the causes of gender disparity in a given industry (e.g. television, technology, music, publishing, etc.) by looking at who controls the industry, but the notion of geekdom seems much more abstract.
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					<updated>2007-03-11T15:30:43-07:00</updated>
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						<name>Scott Reynen</name>
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					<title>Comment by Kevin Reynen</title>
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							I think the explanation is much simpler than that.  Do you remember the scene from the Graduate when Dustin Hoffman is told to get into "plastics"?  Everyone at that party was white, middle class.  Now I'm sure it had something to do with the great deal our father got buying an Apple IIc a few months before the Macintosh was released, but why do you think he was looking at buying a computer in the first place?  Do you think he saw the impact computers where having at his job and thought, hmmm... these computers are really going to change everything?  I doubt it since he's just started using email at the hospital last year and never used the computer they had at the church until moving to MI.  I'm guessing that someone he respected told him that his kids would get better jobs if they knew something about computers.   Our parents made decisions based on information from their peers... who happened to all be white.  I think you'll find the same thing happened with the early adopters of the dial up and later highspeed internet access.  <br/>
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So to answer your question, there are many 20-30 something geeks from white, middle class families because the peer to peer information exchange happened primarily between their parents.  You're less likely to see an industry dominated by a specific demographic again as neighborhoods, schools, and workplaces diversifying and the access to information is driven less by peer to peer in physical spaces and more by online interactions.  There is an "old" joke that on the internet, no one knows you're a dog.   I think that can be taken a step further that increasingly in geek circles, it doesn't matter if you're a dog, a teenage girl in suburbia, or a 60 year- in guy  in Jakarta, your code speaks.  The truly scary thing isn't that the industry is dominated buy white geeks from middle class homes today, but that the peer to peer exchange of information that would keep Americans of any race/color in roles as leaders in the technology industry isn't happening.   The early days of tinkering with computer kits has given way to a culture of consumption where people accept ridiculous legal rational that the math used to encode audio is somehow owned by a company (DRM), that shapes are patentable (DMCA), or that building your own camera would be illegal (Broadcast Flag).   The RIAA and MPAA are conditioning parents to prevent their children from hacking and there aren't enough people of any age, race, or income promoting a different view point to their peers.
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					<updated>2007-03-20T08:57:55-07:00</updated>
                	<id>http://typewriting.org/2007/03/09/Six_Degrees_of_Geek/#comment-4435</id>
                	<author>
						<name>Kevin Reynen</name>
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					<title>Comment by Scott Reynen</title>
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							But Kevin, you've only explained tech geeks. What about all the other types of geeks I listed? Did Jonathon Coulton's parents suggest he start writing songs about obscure mathematicians because they thought it would get him a better job? Did John Hodgman's parents suggest he start developing fictional trivia about hobos because they thought it would get him a better job? I can't imagine they did.<br/>
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These are quintiscentially geeky things to do that don't appear to have a strong connection to the social patterns that create homogeneity in the tech industry. They're like tech geekiness in that they're somewhat outside the norm, but they're unlike tech geekiness in that they won't eventually become the norm. Here are some more non-tech geeks that fit the stereotype: Conan O'Brien, a celebrity geek, Kevin Smith, a movie/comic geek, Beck, a music geek. The first exception that comes to mind is Ana Marie Cox, a political geek.
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					<updated>2007-03-20T09:53:55-07:00</updated>
                	<id>http://typewriting.org/2007/03/09/Six_Degrees_of_Geek/#comment-4436</id>
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						<name>Scott Reynen</name>
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					<title>Comment by Chuck M</title>
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							Ze, Joel and John all live in Brooklyn.  Colbert is filmed in Manhattan.  Location is important to some degree.  <br/>
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-- Another mid-30s, middle class, white guy.
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					<updated>2007-04-03T21:43:22-07:00</updated>
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						<name>Chuck M</name>
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					<title>Comment by Alice</title>
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							I thought it would be flip to say "it's a strange attractor"...although that's probably true. What dictates that you become a geek  is a pretty complex set - though that set is expanding. I'm 33 and white (though female) so I was exposed to a lot of the same opportunities and influences as other 30something white people.  These circumstances emphasized the importance of curiosity and creativity over "survival skills" like learning a trade. So I'm geeky - or if you want to play semantics, I'm nerdy, since I'm not tech-hack-adept enough to be a true geek. It's interesting that curiosity and creativity are becoming the new survival skills. <br/>
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Why didn't you know about these guys when you were becoming a geek? That's like asking why all the trees in a forest get wet at the same rate when it rains. You're in the same cohort, that's all. The same rain fell on all of you. <br/>
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In reply to Kevin I'd say that the practice of hacking will most probably continue regardless of what the RIAA et al have to say. We're monkeys, and monkeys hack, unless you put them in permanent lockdown.
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					<updated>2007-04-04T07:48:47-07:00</updated>
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						<name>Alice</name>
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					<title>Comment by CherishHellfire</title>
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							I am proud to say that none of the names in this circle-o-geekiness is foreign to me even a little bit. I'm even more proud to announce that little brown girls get their geek on too.
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					<updated>2007-04-10T14:58:24-07:00</updated>
                	<id>http://typewriting.org/2007/03/09/Six_Degrees_of_Geek/#comment-4468</id>
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						<name>CherishHellfire</name>
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